It’s not the language that is evil

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It’s not the language that is evil, but the ideas expressed–racial discrimination and notions of a class system based on wealth and ethnic predominance are evil. They would be no less evil if couched in the daintiest words and phrases. Careless and willful ignorance are evil as well.

Evil can’t be explained away and mustn’t be excused.

 

 

© William Hungerford – Jan. 2018

 

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24 Responses to It’s not the language that is evil

  1. whungerford says:

    Rhynstone, your submission didn’t even come close to meeting our standards.
    https://newny23rd.com/how-to-comment/

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  2. josephurban says:

    I think Mr Trump simply says out loud what a majority of his voters feel in their hearts. His racism, xenophobia, sexual abuse and vularity was not a secret before he was elected. He accurately represents a significant minority of Americans. The good news is that the majority of Americans find him repulsive.

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  3. whungerford says:

    I hope not. I don’t want to think that a majority, even if only among those who support Tom Reed, share such views.

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  4. bill says:

    We do not live in the early 1900’s when my grandparents came over from Germany. We need to get rid of chain and lottery migration. Substitute it with merit based, what is good for the United States. Canada has brought themselves into the 21st century, with merit based. For those of you who long for the good old days of immigration, many of those immigrants left and went home because they were unable to make here in American. Less we forget, the US shut down immigration from 1921 to 1965, which allowed for assimilation. Are the Democrat’s looking for what is best for the US or a permanent underclass that will be dependent on the Federal Government and will vote Democrat ??

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  5. josephurban says:

    Bill. A fact check. There was less immigration during the Great Depression and due the National Origins Act of 1924, but immigration was never ended. And immigration picked up significantly after WW2 and contined to rise up until the 1991 (the high point).So, immigration was never shut down. It was , however, severely limited from about 1928 (307,000) to a low of about 30,000 a year during WW2. From then it went up.
    I am not sure why you single out Democrats? During the Obama administration the POTUS and Dems tried over and over to get the GOP (which controlled Congress) to work together to come uo with a comprehensive plan.
    President Obama’s state of the union, 2013:
    “As we speak, bipartisan groups in both chambers are working diligently to draft a bill, and I applaud their efforts,” Obama said, amid applause from a number of lawmakers. “Now let’s get this done. Send me a comprehensive immigration reform bill in the next few months, and I will sign it right away and America will be better for it.”
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/12/state-union-obama-lumps-immigration-economy-rubio-retorts.html
    We forget the reason for the Executive order concerning DACA was because Congress refused to act. So, the POTUS had to act on his own, and did. So, let’s get the facts right so we can discuss real solutions.
    Mr Trump, in a public meeting, said he would sign anything that the GOP and Dems brought him.
    “President Donald Trump says he will sign a DACA deal as soon as congressional negotiators reach one.
    Trump also said comprehensive immigration reform is “where I would like to get to eventually.”
    The fascinating meeting largely took place while cameras were rolling, and offered a window into how the Trump White House negotiates with both parties and with Congress.”
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/09/trump-says-hell-sign-daca-pursue-comprehensive-immigration-reform.html
    So, acting in good faith a bipartisan group of senators, led by Senators Durbin and Graham (A Dem and a GOP) worked out a compromise that included DACA and money for more border security and brought that to Mr Trump. They were blindsided by the White House, who had 2 anti-DACA Senators (Cotton and Perdue) also there to undermine any compromise.
    From a news story:
    “The package negotiated by the senators includes $2.7 billion for border security, which includes Trump’s $1.6 billion request for wall planning and construction, as well as $1.1 billion for security infrastructure and technology, three sources directly familiar with the negotiations confirmed to POLITICO.
    The legislation would also include a 12-year pathway to citizenship for Dreamers, although people who have already been approved for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program would have effectively a 10-year path because they would get two years of credit for holding DACA permits, sources said.
    The plan would also delay green card holders from being able to sponsor their adult children until they obtain citizenship, according to three sources. That’s a population of about 26,000 people who would have to wait longer until they could be sponsored for permanent residency, one of the people said.”
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/11/dreamers-deal-reached-but-trump-has-yet-to-sign-off-336501
    Fact: Compromise has been offered by the Senators and rejected by Mr Trump.

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  6. whungerford says:

    Why focusing on ‘shithole’ totally misses the point
    Chris Cillizza
    Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
    Updated 11:09 AM ET, Mon January 15, 2018

    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-shithole-analysis/index.html

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  7. Rynstone says:

    Oprah for President 2020

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  8. Rynstone says:

    Will. I. Am. says there are “s***hole” communities in the USA

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  9. Rynstone says:

    Tucker Carlson gives an interesting viewpoint on the alleged President Trump statement.

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  10. Rynstone says:

    A few Countries I would not like to currently live in not because of the citizens or their race, their color or their religion, but because of the crappy places their past and present corrupt governments have allowed them to evolve into.
    Venezuela, Democratic Republic of Congo, Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) Myanmar (Burma), Liberia, Libya, Burundi, Central African Republic, Afghanistan, Eritrea, Sudan, Syria, Niger, Sierra Leone, Haiti, Guinea, Ethiopia, The Gambia, Madagascar, Burundi, Malawi, Palestine, Lebanon and Somalia.

    I do not know of masses of American, British, Canadian, Australian, French, Spanish, Mexican, Italian, German and Russian citizens to name a few who are flocking to the above list of crappy countries.

    I have also seen endless TV commercials for my entire life from Aid agencies raising money to feed and supply meds to the citizens of Somalia, The Sudan, Ethiopia and many others.
    This is an interesting story on refugees from crappy countries believing that there are too many laws in the west.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5246857/Sudanese-mum-says-laws-Australia.html

    What we have been doing as a collective whole, for the past 50 years has not not working or solving the problem.

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  11. whungerford says:

    Readers beware–the above images with logos MSNBC, BBC, CNN are fake news–misleanding comments have been added by persons unknown.

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  12. Rynstone says:

    Google them Mr. whungerford, you will find many links confirming these are factual. I always recommend that everyone do the research themselves. Crying fake news makes you sound like President Trump or Vladimir Lenin.

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  13. whungerford says:

    I am conflicted–the videos are irrelevant, they are not Rynstone’s work, he has no idea who made them. I am tempted to delete them, but they do serve as a reminder that Russians are interfering with our elections, and the Trump Administration is doing nothing to prevent it.

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  14. Rynstone says:

    Contrary to popular belief, I do have some favorite quotes by Democrats (and Independents)
    “These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who’s the banana republic now?” —
    U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders, 8/5/2011

    “You’ve heard about the controversies within the bill, the process about the bill, one or the other. But I don’t know if you have heard that it is legislation for the future, not just about health care for America, but about a healthier America, where preventive care is not something that you have to pay a deductible for or out of pocket. Prevention, prevention, prevention—it’s about diet, not diabetes. It’s going to be very, very exciting. But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.” —
    March 9th, 2010 House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (I have so many favorite quotes from Nancy it was hard to select a favorite)

    “I’ll have those n****rs voting Democratic for 200 years.” —
    Democrat President Lyndon Johnson
    https://www.snopes.com/lbj-voting-democratic/

    These statements offend most if not all Conservatives and Constitutionalists. However, Conservatives don’t try to squelch free speech.

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  15. whungerford says:

    If conservatives are offended that incomes are more equal in Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina than in the USA, they should work to reduce the extremes of rich and poor that we suffer under here.

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  16. Rynstone says:

    Conservatives are not offended by the income malarkey. They are offended that a socialist US Senator would place these three countries on a more equal “land of opportunity” than the US.
    Offended by Bernie’s B/S.

    The best way to help the working poor and and the poor and middle class is to reduce the size and scope of federal and state government.

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  17. josephurban says:

    Let me suggest a couple things. First, you can go to ANY NATION on earth and find wonderful places to live. And you can go to ANY NATION on earth and find horrible places to live. It depends on your economic status. Even Mr Trump stated that there were places in the US that are crime infested and dangerous.Does that make the entire US a “shithole” ? Of course not. To label an entire country or continent in that way is simply ignorant.
    Regarding the off used 6 second Peolosi quote. Yes. 6 seconds taken COMPLETELY out of context. That quote and those who use it demonstrates the fundamental dishonesty of the alt-right/ racist movement. In the lead up to the 6 seconds Speaker Pelosi EXPLAINS the misconceptions of the propaganda against the bill and what is actually in the bill. Then she says that once the bill is in place you will see how good it is…that is the context.
    After all, the bill was proposed and debated for over a year. It was available on line for anyone to read. I read about half of it myself. But still the alt-right claimed it had “death panels” and would force people to have abortions and a variety of other nonsense. She tells folks the turht, when the bill is passed you will see for yourself it has no such provisions.
    When the alt-right has no facts they simply create false news (They call it Alternative facts) based on truncated quotes, intentional misinformation and highy edited statements. That is because they lose on the substance of issues. And they know it.
    Just today I was watching FOX news handling of the Senate hearing with the Homeland Security Secretary. They showed her saying that “EVERYONE was using vulgar language” during the famous Trump shithole meeting. Then they said that NO Democrats DENIED it. It was a false statement by FOX. Immediatley after the Homeland Security Secretary made her statement Durbin challenged her. He said: Did I use vulgar language? She backed down and said, no. But FOX did not show that exchange, which contradicted their story line. Just another alternative fact.
    So, take 6 second sound bites and quotes out of context. It simply shows an inability to deal with complex issues in an HONEST way.

    https://www.snopes.com/pelosi-healthcare-pass-the-bill-to-see-what-is-in-it/

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  18. Anne says:

    Who is this Rynstone and why is s/he (though I suspect it’s a he) spamming this page with all this nonsense?

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  19. whungerford says:

    Rynstone, aka Gary L. Perry, attempted a primary challenge to Rep. Tom Reed in 2016. When challenged by Reed, it failed for lack of valid signatures on his petitions.

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  20. Rynstone says:

    Not spamming Anne, just providing another side of the story.

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  21. josephurban says:

    I hjave no problem with Rynstone’s posts. He has the right to his opinion. And I have the right to correct him with facts.The way to deal with the alt-right is to simply correct them with factual information.

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  22. Rynstone says:

    Thank you Joseph for your support. However, I am not an Alt-Right. From teh Wiki page I AM MOST Definitely NOT a white supremacists, neo-nazis, neo-fascists, and member of any other fringe hate groups. I am not a racist and do not discriminate on religious beliefs.
    I do consider myself a nationalist, not a white nationalist but a nationalist.
    I believe that all citizens of any country should be a nationalist.

    I do believe is a certain amount of protectionism. I do believe in enforcing our current immigration laws. I have friends who are from Persia, Turkey, Greece, Egypt, Germany, Syria, the UK, Ireland, Scotland, Mexico, Kuwait, Israel and a few other countries I can’t immediately recall.
    I have a few relatives by marriage who are from Croatia, Mexico, Puerto Rico. I have a family member who is gay. I have gay friends.
    When I travel to Trinidad my daughter and I stay with a Syrian woman who owns a bed and breakfast.

    I do admit I am prejudiced against people who do not make their children attend public school and graduate. There are probably more Caucasians in the US who are guilty of this than any other race or ethnic group.
    I am also prejudiced against career criminals, corrupt politicians and big government and big spending politicians (both R’s and D’s).

    I consider myself a Constitutionalist which makes me a Libertarian, a classic liberal and a conservative. It does not make me a Progressive or a Progressive liberal, Republican or a Democrat even though I consider myself a former JFK Democrat.

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  23. Rynstone says:

    Interesting CNN clip from the GOP war room

    There are lessons to be learned by Democrat politicians and media personalities

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  24. josephurban says:

    Rynstone. I found your tape very enlightening. If you actually listen to what they say, you will see that they have no specifics as to what Trump has done. Just vague… he is great BS that Trump himself spouts. They did not mention the wall that Mexico paid for. They did not mention the great infrastructure program that is rebuilding roads, bridges, etc. they did not mention his health care plan that gives GREAT health care to EVERYONE cheaper than we get it today. Why not? Did they talk about how he has forced China to stop dumping cheap goods on our markets? Or how he has won the war against terror in one month since he is so much smarter than all the generals? Why not? Thise were some of his promises to his fans.

    Some of the foolishness of these voters: They talk about how the “media” (another code word which is meaningless) has no RESPECT for Donald. Really ? No respect for a man who constantly tweets disrespectful comments about others? Trump has been the crudest and least respectful person ever in the White House. They like it. They like his crudeness while talking about the need for respect. Respect?
    While they admit the economy is no better, yet they claim his policies help the economy. So, they contradict themselves. They have no evidence that Trump has improved oin the thriving economy. They say the economy of Youngstown has NOT improved, yet claim Trump has improved the economy. A growing economy Obama handed him on a silver platter.
    They claim that illegal immigration has cost them jobs, Yet offer no proof. Because there is none. What jobs are these illegals taking away? Do these people want to work in poultry processing plants with no guarantee of wages, like illegals do? To be fired without cause? To make low wages? And sometimes not being paid at all? Or maybe they are just hoping upon hope to spend 12 hours a day in the lettuce fields? Again, completely out of touch. These peole would not last 30 minurtes doing the jobs taken by illegals.
    So I did learn some lessons. You can fool some of the people all of the time. And Trump has. And he does continue to get the support of 25% of the population. But he hasn’t fooled most people, which is why he lost the popular vote by over 3,000,000. Most sensible people know a conman when they see one. So, you really didn’t teach any lesson that I already did not know. Some folks are easily fooled.

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