Too late

clockTom Reed has announced a town hall meeting on Monday, November 20, 2017.

Town of Horseheads
TIME: 6:00 PM-7:00 PM 
71 Old Ithaca Road
Horseheads, NY 14845


By Monday, Tom will already have voted for H.R.1, the Republican “Tax Reform” bill. He will be proud of that accomplishment; it will be too late to yell about it.

If Tom were interested in his constituents opinions on taxes, he would have scheduled his meeting prior to voting. He didn’t; he isn’t.

Constituents have little need to attend to learn Tom’s views. They have been widely published and aired on TV.

Watch out for tricky answers to questions:

  • If asked why individual tax cuts are temporary, Tom may point out, correctly, that if the economy prospers as he expects, they can be made permanent in the future. Tax rate changes in the House bill are no more than a distraction in any case–up for some, down for others. It matters little if they do expire.
  • If asked about his own taxes, Tom may say he expects to pay more. That may be true if only personal income taxes are considered.
  • If asked about SALT, Tom will attack Gov. Coumo and NYS government.
  • If asked about the deficit, Tom may point out, correctly, that if the economy prospers as he expects, the deficit will shrink.
  • If asked about cuts to government programs, Tom may claim, falsely, that they are necessary to protect our children from government bankruptcy.
  • If asked about a specific measure which may be hurtful to many, Tom may point out that his only choice was to vote yes or no, and he preferred yes, putting the many before the few.

I believe Tom had three goals in Congress which he has promoted since his first townhall meeting:

  1. Overthrow Obamacare.
  2. Reduce government spending particularly on “entitlements.”
  3. Cut business taxes.

Tom is now on the verge of accomplishing all three. He might gladly now retire from Congress and return to bill collecting.

What can be accomplished at this meeting?

  • Tom’s announced challengers for the 2018 election may be present. This would be a chance to meet them.
  • Think about which candidate could run an effective campaign on a low budget.
  • Talk to others at the meeting about ideas which are better than Tom’s.
  • Talk to others at the meeting about legitimate concerns about the interests of student, seniors, and those likely to lose important benefits.

Facts don’t matter; it’s about image. Tom will pose as responsible. He will “agree to disagree” with those who bring up facts. He will counter facts with “alternate facts.” Tom thrives on disruption; he could ask nothing more than disorderly protest.

Why are you a Democrat?

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11 Responses to Too late

  1. Arthur Ahrens says:

    This is a pretty good analysis.
    You’ve answered the question that you asked me–What will I ask Tom..ans. Nothing.

    I’m going down to observe. And maybe meet Rhynnie.

    Liked by 1 person

  2. Rynstone says:

    I am going to plan to be there Art. If my work schedule does not interfere.
    How will I recognize you ? I am bad with names so go easy on me !
    I will be that young looking and good looking old fellow !


  3. Arthur Ahrens says:

    I’m six feet six inches tall. I’ll probably be traveling with my wife. I may or may not be wearing an orange ball cap.

    As far as young and good looking….I’ve seen your photo….let’s agree to disagree!

    And there’s not a chance in the world that I will go easy on you!


  4. Rynstone says:

    Hey… A guy can dream can’t he ! 6″ 6″ !! what the heck ! do you walk around on stilts!

    Hopefully I will be there


  5. Arthur Ahrens says:

    About Tom Reed’s Horsehead Town Hall
    Reed has become a master showman. More to come tomorrow….
    Rhynstone — you stiff!


  6. Arthur Ahrens says:

    Reed Town Hall, November 20, 2017
    Minutes by Arthur Ahrens

    I have a hearing disability, corrected somewhat by hearing aids. The hall was a large hall with many different inputs. Sometimes questioners and Reed would speak without the mic, and sometimes questioners used the mic in a way that the mic was ineffective. Then there were periodic outbursts. Also things moved along pretty quickly. All of this made note taking difficult. I did the best I could, and hope that this record is of some use.

    The town hall was held in the American Legion Hall in Horseheads. There were 300 – 350 attendees. The majority were codgers (like myself) with a few middle agers and some young people also. There were three (3) video cameras on the right side with at least one attended by a professional looking crew of 3.

    Reed arrived promptly at 7:06 (he lives in Corning!), spent a couple of minutes greeting the ex-mayor of Corning, who was seated on the right side a few rows in front of me, and then started his monologue.

    Very short. Talked about tax reform and how it was his intent to correct all the misinformation about it.

    He started taking questions at about 7:10.

    The first questioner was a self-employed woman who was concerned about how the removal of the mandate would affect her. She was concerned that her insurance costs would rise. Reed gave a generic answer that wasn’t really an answer.

    The second questioner was a senior citizen male with concerns about corporate tax breaks. Reed responded that the tax cuts were needed to jump start the economy. The questioner was not satisfied.

    The third question came from a woman who had 40 years in tax preparation questioning the fairness of the tax cuts. Reed asked her personal questions about her tax situation that proved that she herself would be getting a break. He managed to make it appear that she did not know what she was talking about. He also escaped from her as quickly as possible.

    The fourth questioner was an older woman with a degree from Cornell. Her two part question involved grad students who receive stipends that would now be taxable and endowments to middle class people. I didn’t hear much of the reply to the first. In answer to the second part, Reed mentioned the salaries of endowment managers at Harvard and Notre Dame being in the millions of dollars and said he was not happy with that. He wants that money to be disbursed to poor and middle class candidates.

    The fifth questioner was a well-spoken Reed supporter who was upset that his Social Security benefits were being taxed, and wanted Reed to do something about it. He was also upset that Reed’s priority seemed to be corporations. Reed went to boilerplate that corporate tax reform will lead to job creation. The guy was not happy, tried to talk some more, but Reed moved on….

    It was now 6:45 and time for the second monologue.

    Tom talked about how tax reform has been discussed in each and every town hall for the last 11 years (hope I got that number right). He’s been interested in tax reform since he went to Washington, and is well versed in the existing tax code and KNOWS that the reforms will be good for us.
    Then Tom segued into SALT reform. He stated in so many words that property taxes are regressive. He also stated that the credits being issued to offset SALT removal will benefit 99.7% of the NY23 taxpayers, which he feels is a good deal.

    He also spoke about NY being a tax donor state, where our tax dollars flow to Mississippi and conflated that with Democratic values of the well to do taking care of the poor.

    He also spoke of low taxes being used to jump start the economy and compared it with Cuomo’s efforts to jump start local economies by giving tax breaks.

    He also said that opposition to the tax bill is based on emotion, not facts, and as long as that is the case, we will continue to disagree.

    6:55 – another questioner asked why Reed never seems to differ from Trump or the Republicans. Why is it so necessary to ram this bill through? And isn’t Reed aware that the majority of people at the meeting were very anxious about the bill? Reed responded yet again about the generational opportunity to give tax relief to the middle class.

    Another questioner – What corporate loopholes have been closed. Reed was ready and rattled off 5, and I have no idea what they were.

    He returned to Cuomo and tax initiatives. Stated that if you are comfortable with lower taxes creating jobs for Cuomo, you should love Rebpublicans creating jobs by lowering taxes.

    The deficit created by this bill will be offset by economic growth.

    Written questions submitted before the meeting.

    CHIP – Tom says that the program is being considered under the new budget.

    Russia—Tom says Russia has been interfering in US politics for a much longer while than just this last election. And we should get to the bottom of it. Also mentioned that the US has interfered in other countries’ elections.

    Tom took the opportunity for a closing statemtent. He stated that although there appeared to be 300 people at this meeting opposing the tax reform bill, he is convinced that his constituents are in favor of it.

    Last speaker was a gentleman in a AARP vest, representing the AARP. He stated that we should be looking for a compromise. He also handed Tom some paperwork while stating that AARP was unhappy with the removal of the medical deduction and the AARP does NOT support the tax plan.

    Meeting ended ~ 7:10
    Several candidates for Tom’s seat were waiting to give presentations. I did not hang around.
    There was only 1 guy in a Trump hat at the meeting.
    Several questioners identified as Reed supporters. They were not in favor of the tax reform bill.
    Nobody spoke in favor of the bill.
    Some memorable Reed statements–
    It’s a bean counter thing
    Budget office estimates are wrong.
    Deficit will be offset by growth
    Is it in the Senate bill or the House bill.
    At some point in time (forgive me) Reed asked everyone if they would like higher taxes. Quite a few people said YES. Reed appeard to be genuinely surprised.

    ————————-End Of Objective Report——————————————————-
    1 hour is not nearly enough for a real discussion on tax reform.Tom is going through the motions. He had no interest in hearing opposing opinions.
    Tom doesn’t give a hoot about what he hears.
    Tom is not afraid to say he disagrees with someone. And he said it a lot.
    Tom’s new line, when pressed on numbers, is ‘It’s a bean counter thing’.
    Tom’s new line, when pressed on hardships created, is’Let’s look at the facts’
    Tom attitude is condescending. To everyone. He knows best.
    Tom didn’t care much about getting across how caring he is.
    Tom was using a handheld mic. That he freely handed off to questioners.
    There was no police presence.
    It was surreal to hear Reed talking about Cuomo’s push for low taxes to justify Reed’s push for low taxes.

    These town halls are now Kabuki theater.
    Reed is not at all interested in what anyone thinks. He is going to do what he wants.

    Why aren’t more young people at these meetings?


  7. whungerford says:

    Thanks for this Arthur. Do I have your permission to make a blog post out of your comment?


  8. Arthur Ahrens says:

    BTW – It took me 1.5 hours drive down, 1.5 hrs back, .75 before the meeting and 1.25 hours after it. That’s 5 hours out of my life, added on to all the Reed town halls that I have attended in the past.
    It’s probably my last. I’m tired of being fed crap.


  9. Rynstone says:

    Arthur, where do you live ?


  10. Arthur Ahrens says:

    I live in Branchport, west leg of Keuka lake.


  11. Rynstone says:

    I know it well. My daughter graduated from Keuka University a few years a go. I have several friends who have cottages on the east bank and one friend who has a cottage in Branchport. Beautiful area. It is out of my price range !


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