John Stossel on Women

warIn his column in the Elmira Star-Gazette on March 15 titled ‘War on Women’? Liberals prefer everyone as victims, John Stossel writes:

The idea of a conservative “war on women” is as silly as propaganda I was taught in college: …

What are these silly ideas:

    • male and female genders are exactly equal
    • any admission of differences between men and women is oppressive
    • the only reason boys and girls behave differently is that they are taught differently
    • if society would treat genders the same, behavior difference would vanish

Stossel earned a BA in Psychology from Princeton in 1969.  About himself he wrote:  “I daydreamed through half my classes at Princeton.” That figures. Stossel may have learned these silly ideas at Princeton, but his teachers likely would be astonished and dismayed by that.

Stossel goes on to argue that women ought to pay more than men for health insurance because their care costs more. Even if true, this idea is as silly as the ideas Stossel decries. As Annis Ford Eastman wrote in 1893:

(By the) recognition of the entire equality of man and woman as complementary parts of humanity–of one humanity. … This would mean equal opportunities for education on all lines to both sexes; the free use and development of all their powers; the sharing of by men and women in the great labor, in the results of which they have an equal interest, of framing, interpreting and executing the laws of society; equal advantages and protection under these laws, and equal representation in the government.

Rev. Eastman’s view is that men and women are partners in the human endevour, not complementary in the sense of master and servant. If this view was taught at Princeton, Stossel evidently slept through it.

Charging higher premiums for property in flood plains may serve to discourage building there. Persons ordinarily don’t choose their gender, so it makes no sense to penalize them for it.  Stossel’s ideas are divisive; we are one humanity.

Stossel goes on to mock President Obama for advocating equal pay for equal work. For Stossel unequal pay reflects genetic differences rather than unfair discrimination.

Stossel concludes:

Liberal social engineers may dream of a society where genders are exactly equal, but that’s nonsense. Men and women are different. We should celebrate that difference instead of claiming that women are victims. 

I don’t buy it.  Stossel’s argument is that biology is destiny (Freud), that gender differences justify injustice.

© William Hungerford – March 2014

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28 Responses to John Stossel on Women

  1. BOB McGILL says:

    I am going to get in big trouble for this but here goes. My experience has been that anything that is predominantly controlled by women has turned out to be a real social problem. Nursing homes, schools and hospitals all seem to be under fire for being inadequate. Quite often a man will have to come along and bail them out. Women in politics get a lot of flack after the novelty wears off.
    JUST AN OBSERVATION
    ok DEB & ANNE go for it

  2. BOB McGILL says:

    If accusations by the New York state attorney general against Medford MultiCare Center for Living prove true, the facility would be the “poster child” for how oversight of nursing homes can go wrong, national and local experts say.

    On the federal website that gives consumers information about the quality and safety of nursing homes, Medford registers three out of five stars, or “average,” overall….

    Most nursing homes around here are rated at between 2 & 3 stars out of 5 🙂
    No hatred, just facts

  3. BOB McGILL says:

    should I mention that a report by the FEDS says that the worst hospital in the entire country is right here in the Finger Lakes 🙂

  4. Marcia Johnson says:

    So you are basing your view of the competency of women on one woman, out of the billions on the planet. Yes, because it has primarily been women who have started wars, committed atrocities and genocide, destroyed our economy via Wall Street greed (several times.) I see your point…you are proving that men can be ignorant.

  5. BOB McGILL says:

    “So you are basing your view of the competency of women on one woman, out ” so it’s just one that is responsible ? Boy she really gets around 🙂

  6. Barbara Griffin says:

    More often than not, nursing homes, schools, and hospitals are run by men. Public schools often lack funding to provide enough staff and supplies to adequately serve their students. Nursing homes and hospitals cut their staff and charge exorbitant fees to make sure their CEO’s get exorbitant salaries. Gender has nothing to do with competency.

  7. BOB McGILL says:

    “Nursing homes and hospitals cut their staff and charge exorbitant fees to make sure their CEO’s get exorbitant salaries”
    THIS IS AGAINST THE LAW
    I did not say ” RUN BY ” I said , ” predominantly controlled “

  8. BOB McGILL says:

    8.8 Million More Women Than Men Voted in 2004 Elections
    Women turned out to vote in the 2004 elections at a notably higher rate than men, according to official figures released in early June by the U.S. Bureau of the Census. The rate of voter turnout was 60.1 % for women, compared with 56.3% for men.
    The 2004 turnout gap between women and men was greater than in any previous election. Women have voted at higher rates than men in every presidential election since 1980, with the gap between women and men growing slightly larger with each successive election.

    BUT THIS MEANS NOTHING

  9. BOB McGILL says:

    Women’s Votes Decisive in 2012 Presidential Race
    New Brunswick, NJ—Women’s votes were decisive in Barack Obama’s victory, according to an analysis of exit poll data by the Center for American Women and Politics (CAWP), a unit of the Eagleton Institute of
    Politics at Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey. A majority of women (55%) cast their ballots for President Barack Obama, while a majority of men (52%) voted for Governor Mitt Romney, according to
    Edison Research.
    Defined as the difference in the proportions of women and men voting for the winning candidate, a sizable gender gap was evident in the election results. The gender gap was 10 percentage points in 2012, with 55 percent of women, but only 45 percent of men, voting for Obama.
    AND THIS MEANS NOTHING 🙂

  10. Anne says:

    Sorry, Bob. This is so far beyond stupid that there’s not even any way to begin to respond to it.

  11. BOB McGILL says:

    THEN DON’T 🙂 That’s just the kind of responce one would expect from someone who can’t defend their position.
    I have been dealing with nursing homes, hospitals, state agencies for years and have never talked to a MAN in charge always a woman ! I know a lot of women that feel the same way.

  12. Anne says:

    My position is that you deal in sophisms and non sequuntur exclusively. And, I think, contrariness for the sake of being contrary.

  13. BOB McGILL says:

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/…/how-mens-brains-are-wired-differently-than- women/‎Cached
    Dec 2, 2013 … How Men’s Brains Are Wired Differently than Women’s … are more connected
    between hemispheres to combine analytical and intuitive thinking … However,
    the results do not apply to individual men and women, she said.

    WRITEN BY A WOMAN

  14. Marcia Johnson says:

    Bob, Please explain what the voting records of men vs women have to do with women being paid equal rates as men. Not one thing you said has anything to do with the article.

  15. whungerford says:

    John Stossel sets up the idea that men and women are exactly the same in order to mock it. He goes on to suggest that whatever differences exist justify discrimination. This argument is pernicious and false — we should reject it regardless of any differences science may uncover. Rev. Eastman’s belief that men and women are equal partners in humanity is positive and true..

  16. BOB McGILL says:

    and this whole topic is just you trying to create another WEDGE ISSUE, blame Tom and do it yourself !
    Occupational Dissimilarity Index[edit]Choice of occupation is considered to be one of the key factors contributing to the male-female wage differential. In other words, careers with a majority of female employees tend to pay less than careers that employ a majority of males. This is different from direct wage discrimination within occupations, as males in the female dominated professions will also make lower than average wages and the women in the male dominated occupations usually make higher than average wages. The occupational dissimilarity index is a measure from 0 to 100; it measures the percent of laborers that would need to be rearranged into a job typically done by the opposite sex in order for the wage differential to disappear. In 1960, the dissimilarity index for the United States was measured at 62. It has dropped since then, but at 47 in 2000, is still one of the highest of any developed nation.[12][13]

  17. Marcia Johnson says:

    You are obfuscating the issue. We are talking about people doing the same job making the same money. Can you say that men should make more than women?

  18. whungerford says:

    Neither Stossel’s article or mine had anything to do with Tom Reed. If Tom is embarrassed by the GOP or by himself, so be it.

  19. BOB McGILL says:

    When comparisons are made between men and women who work 40 hours per week, women make 87% of men’s earnings, according to the Labor Department. For men and women who work 30 to 34 hours a week, women make more, 109% of men’s earnings.
    DID YOU GET THAT ?
    Second, the gap claim averages for each gender earnings from many and disparate vocations. For example, it averages women who work as social workers with men who work as investment bankers; female elementary school teachers with male engineers; and male loggers with female administrative assistants.
    For their own reasons, many women enter so-called “helping professions,” such as nursing, teaching, elder care, health services, nutrition, social work. These occupations pay less than do some more dangerous and physically-demanding lines of work that attract more men — engineering, mining, operating construction machinery.
    Legitimate comparisons look at men and women with the same job tenure in the same position at the same firm. If there’s a big difference under those circumstances, there may be discrimination, giving women grounds to sue. Federal law forbids discrimination, and permits such suits.
    When economists compare men and women in the same job with the same experience, the analysts find that they earn about the same. Studies by former Congressional Budget Office director June O’Neill, University of Chicago economics professor Marianne Bertrand, and the research firm Consad all found that women are paid practically the same as men.
    🙂

  20. BOB McGILL says:

    you can’t even read and you want to get paid the same ? Did you see this ?
    “When economists compare men and women in the same job with the same experience, the analysts find that they earn about the same”

  21. BOB McGILL says:

    October 17, 2012Experts say that the gender pay gap touted at the second debate on Oct. 16 by President Obama is simply not true, and that even his own White House staff pays men more than women if the same erroneous statistical manipulation is used.
    Journalist Bernard Goldberg has been one of many to discredit this widely held myth.
    “”I don’t know about you but I’m getting tired of pundits and activists – almost always on the left — who don’t know what they’re talking about, spouting off in the media about how women don’t make as much as men for doing the same work,” Goldberg said.
    Why do men generally earn more than women? It’s because men often do different kinds of work than women, asserts James Sherk at the Heritage Foundation.
    ““This gender gap is not the result of rampant discrimination. Rather, it exists because men and women often work in different jobs, work different hours, and have different qualifications. When work experience, education, occupation, and hours of work are taken into account, the average woman makes 98 cents for every dollar earned by a man,” Sherk said.
    Goldberg writes that anti-business liberals are always saying that cold-hearted companies only care about the bottom line.
    “”So then why — if it’s true that women are getting paid 77 cents for every dollar a man makes; if women are not getting equal pay for doing the same job — why would any company hire any man at all? Why wouldn’t companies only hire women to do all the work and save 23 percent on their labor costs? This is not a rhetorical question,” Goldberg said. “If greedy businessmen are fixated on “maximizing profits” how do we account for so many “overpaid” men in the workforce?”

    The National Center for Policy Analysis said in April that the intense focus on a so-called wage gap presented by the U.S. Department of Labor is an exercise in statistical manipulation, espousing a conclusion that is unreal.
    Comparing full-time working men and women without holding other factors constant is disingenuous — an analysis that accounts for hours worked, education and industry type would be more enlightening, the policy analysis center reported.
    For instance, the Labor Department’s 2011 Time Use Survey shows that fulltime men work about 5 percent more each day on the job. So, it should hardly be a surprise that workers who work more do in fact earn more.
    Also, the policy analysis center noted that the types of job sectors that men and women tend to dominate has to be considered:
    •Men dominate fields like construction, manufacturing and trucking — jobs with higher personal risk (both in job security and safety), but with salary premiums to compensate.
    •Women cluster in service industries, teaching, health care and the social services — jobs with fewer risks, more comfortable conditions, regular hours and greater flexibility.
    •While radical feminists argue that women are socially pressured into these low-paying positions, the same argument can be made that men, pressured to be the bread-winner, sacrifice comfortable positions to make a better salary.
    There also are different approaches that each gender takes to children, according to the policy analysis center, which relied partly on data reported by Carrie Lukas, Managing Director of the Independent Women’s Forum.
    Two new parents tend to respond oppositely to having a child. The mother tends to seek a positions with greater flexibility and time off (sacrificing salary in the process), while the father actually seeks further salary gains.
    Lukas said that when these and other factors are taken into account, the wage gap usually disappears and sometimes even reverses.
    “”Feminist hand-wringing about the wage gap relies on the assumption that the differences in average earnings stem from discrimination,” Lukas wrote in The Wall Street Journal last April. “Thus the mantra that women make only 77 percent of what men earn for equal work. But even a cursory review of the data proves this assumption false.”
    Market Watch, a respected business publication that’s part of The Wall Street Journal, noted that Obama said in a June speech that “women still earn just 77 cents for every dollar a man earns.”
    In fact, an Obama campaign TV ad, entitled “First Law,” which began airing June 21, showed the same 77 percent figure.
    There’s just one problem — it isn’t true, Market Watch columnist Diana Furchtgott-Roth wrote on July 26.
    For instance, she pointed out the fallacies of one of the primary myths in particular, that women get less pay for equal work.
    Furchtgott-Roth said it’s a spurious assertion that women are paid 77 cents for a man’s wage dollar by comparing the earnings of all full-time men with those of all full-time women.
    It’s a bogus comparison two reasons. First, it lumps together men and women who work different numbers of hours — any hours above 35 hours per week. On average, full-time women work fewer hours than full-time men, often because they prefer it.
    When comparisons are made between men and women who work 40 hours per week, women make 87 percent of men’s earnings, according to the Labor Department.

    “For men and women who work 30 to 34 hours a week, women make more, 109 percent of men’s earnings.
    Second, is that the gap claims averages for each gender earnings from many and disparate vocations. For example, it averages women who work as social workers with men who work as investment bankers; female elementary school teachers with male engineers; and male loggers with female administrative assistants.
    For their own reasons, many women enter so-called “helping professions,” such as nursing, teaching, elder care, health services, nutrition, social work. These occupations pay less than do some more dangerous and physically-demanding lines of work that attract more men — engineering, mining, operating construction machinery.
    Legitimate comparisons look at men and women with the same job tenure in the same position at the same firm. If there’s a big difference under those circumstances, there may be discrimination, giving women grounds to sue. Federal law forbids discrimination, and permits such suits.

    When economists compare men and women in the same job with the same experience, the analysts find that they earn about the same.
    Studies by former Congressional Budget Office director June O’Neill, University of Chicago economics professor Marianne Bertrand, and the research firm Consad all found that women are paid practically the same as men.
    “And while President Obama says he’s in favor of equal pay, Furchtgott-Roth said her calculations from 2012 pay data published by the White House finds that women staffers there were paid 91 cents on a man’s dollar. That is, of course, if one calculates the figure, incorrectly, based on simple averages by gender.
    Furchtgott-Roth said this is presumably because female staffers in these offices were not as senior as male staffers, or they held different types of positions, just as in the workforce as a whole.

    Suggested by the author
    Paycheck Fairness Act: Senate is right to stop ‘gender pay gap’ legislation

  22. BOB McGILL says:

    did you notice the articles were written and the research was done by women ?
    🙂

  23. BOB McGILL says:

    I was responding to this–Marcia Johnson says:
    March 16, 2014 at 12:25 pm
    So you are basing your view of the competency of women on one woman, out of the billions on the planet. Yes, because it has primarily been women who have started wars, committed atrocities and genocide, destroyed our economy via Wall Street greed (several times.) I see your point…you are proving that men can be ignorant.

  24. BOB McGILL says:

    These people, they just vote for some guy and make him president and then claim no responsibility for his actions ! Women didn’t vote for Hitler I suppose.

  25. whungerford says:

    Women in low paying jobs know it and are unlikely to be mollified by your research, Bob. Unequal pay is illegal, yet it persists. No one should be satisfied with that.

  26. BOB McGILL says:

    PROVE IT, SHOW ME ! but don’t use some crack-pot source

  27. BOB McGILL says:

    AAUW has been empowering women ? IS THAT THE BEST YOU CAN DO ?

    Carey Roberts May 1, 2007
    AAUW’s fuzzy math an insult to working women
    By Carey Roberts
    Equal Pay Day has become one of our annual rites of Spring. And once again Hillary and her gal-pals were out in force, trying to convince us that women are undervalued and underpaid in the American workplace.
    This year the gender victimologists came armed with a new report from the American Association of University Women, Behind the Pay Gap, which purports to show that one year after graduation, women are paid 80% of what men earn.
    The AAUW’s press release featured this startling statement: “Women earn less even when working in the same career field, likely due to sex discrimination.” So no surprise, media coverage of the study trumpeted the 80% figure like it was revealed truth.
    But women who are familiar with the AAUW’s long-standing gender agenda began to question the study.
    Mary Kay Ham sardonically wondered why she, as a highly-educated columnist, should be paid less than a dime-a-dozen brain surgeon. Another blogger asked pointedly, “If an employer is only concerned about the bottom line, why would s/he hire a man at all to perform a job where an equally qualified woman will do it for 69% of pay?” [www.darleenclick.com/weblog/archives/2007/04/study_says_its.html]

    To settle the issue, I decided to download the report and see for myself. [www.aauw.org/research/behindPayGap.pdf]
    I quickly noticed that the 80% figure is deceptive because it doesn’t take into account differences in work hours, occupational choices, and other key variables.
    When you do that, the wage gap shrinks dramatically. As the AAUW report finally admits on page 39: “The regression analysis of earnings one year after graduation for the combined sample of women and men shows a gender pay difference of 5 percent, controlling for educational and occupational choices as well as demographic and personal characteristics.”
    But it turns out the AAUW study omitted a number of important factors in its analysis, so even the 5% figure is exaggerated.
    For example, many men coming out of high school enter the military and later go to college. These men command a bigger paycheck upon graduation. Likewise, men tend to accept big-city jobs with longer commute times. But the AAUW glossed over those facts.
    Of greater concern is how the AAUW shoe-horned the many thousands of jobs into 11 broad occupational categories.Take the medical profession which is evenly divided between the sexes, compared to nursing which is overwhelmingly female. The AAUW lumped all doctors and nurses into the same “medical professions” group. So you guessed it — doctors are paid more than nurses, and that’s discrimination!

    And women who major in business administration gravitate to human resources administration, while men often specialize in finance. Employees who manage a corporation’s financial lifeblood tend to be paid well. But the AAUW put both groups into the “business and management” category. Yikes, more discrimination!
    This isn’t the first time the American Association of University Women resorted to smoke-and-mirrors research to further its political agenda.
    Back in 1992 the AAUW published the report, How Schools Shortchange Girls. The report purported to show that American schoolgirls were being kept down by the ever-present patriarchy.
    But Diane Ravitch, former assistant secretary of education, took issue with that conclusion, saying flatly, “The AAUW report was just completely wrong. What was so bizarre is that it came out right at the time that girls had just overtaken boys in almost every area.”
    To redeem itself, the AAUW finally came out with a second report. Gender Gaps: Where Schools Still Fail Our Children had to admit — a-ha! — that “National data indicate that girls consistently earn either equivalent or higher grades than boys in all subjects at all points in their academic careers.”
    But that oops-I-goofed document could not reverse the hysteria generated by the first report, which fueled the passage of the Gender Equity in Education Act in 1994, a law that contributes to the boy crisis we’re now seeing.
    But memories are short, and no doubt some will be fooled by the AAUW’s gender wage gap tom-foolery.But beyond the claims of sex discrimination, Behind the Pay Gap contains a put-down to all working women. That message reads, Ladies, you are unwilling to accept the financial consequences of your decision to work shorter hours and in less lucrative occupations.
    That’s patronizing and insulting to the women who don’t believe they need a government mandate or gender quota to get ahead in life. Hopefully this time around not so many will be taken in by the AAUW’s creative calculations.

    © Carey Roberts
    🙂

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